? >> they've started out last year when they were working on the debt ceiling and they had buber called the merlot and nicorette meeting come in other words, boehner would have a merlot and obama which you nicorette. >> you point out in the boat somehow when they took the official photo, both of the spanish. >> yes, they had iced tea for obama. of course boehner had a cigarette and they put the cigarette in the ashtray away from the picture. but they haven't closed the deal on the personal relations and that's a shame. i think somebody said this month during your breakfast, you should sponsor a weekly dinner between obama and honor and everyone would agree to pay for it and let them talk and get to know each other. [inaudible] >> john collingwood. that's right. what do you think? [inaudible] [laughter] >> a special round? well, you know it's a personal relationships, when john was the sba spokesman, he was often not helpful, but you could always talk to him and get him on the phone and if you have a good story, he would confirm it by laughing. a deep laugh that you run the right track.